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MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 4:00pm EDT
, zing. the crowd there clearly energized by romney's debate performance last night and obama's senior adviser david axelrod praised it as well suggesting it was oscar-worthy, though not worthy of the white house. due to some basic problems with simple veracity. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. an unelected board, appointed board who are going to decide what kind of treatments you ought to have. >> not true, not true, not true, not true. and since mr. romney got the last word at the debate last night, why don't we give the last word today to the president. >> he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. so governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth. >> well said, mr. president. let's get right to our panel. in washington form eer communications director and msnbc political analyst karen finney, and in philadelphia professo
FOX News
Oct 4, 2012 4:00pm EDT
difference between their performance. everyone who was fair was impressed with how romney handled that from going to end. obama was stunned by how well romney was performing. he seemed almost to take a step back and tune out. >>neil: do you think he came in to it is on the clock, the president, to your point he didn't expect this, and he saw little risk in taking on mitt romney and even if romney did well it would not move the needle were and maybe that is what the folks are hoping today. will that be the case? >> they may be hoping that but as word gets out and as the coverage continues of the debate, more people would didn't watch the debate will hear about romney's performance. if they are not if romney or they are undecided they will be intrigued that he took on the president and did as well as they have now heard that he did or will hear they did. the criticism being made and you heard a couple of the obama spokesman making it, that romney won because he was so well prepared and had so many practice sessions. that is what we reward people for. >>neil: debate do not have a big impa
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 1:00pm PDT
over this perceived low performance by the president, but was it really such a fiasco? mitt romney is the ron jeremy of political campaigning. every day he's in a different position. how do you nail custard to the creeling? how do you do that? i don't know how you do that. >> exactly, yeah. >> look, can i just remind you that al gore won the debates. did he end up being president? no, he did not. >> john kerry. >> john kerry won the debates. he also did not end up being president. >> yeah, but, karen, i think what's different this time around is the absolute falsification that took place last night. it was breath-taking. it was almost -- well, it was shakespearean in terms of its performance. >> and you know what, martin, to that point, i think part of whether where i'd like to see the obama folks take this message is, we have already had a president who is very comfortable, and a vice president by the way, looking us straight in the eye and lying to us and sending men and women to war. do we want to have another president who can stand on the stage for 90 minutes and lie to the am
ABC
Oct 5, 2012 4:30am EDT
, wisconsin yesterday suggested romney's performance was just an act,' >> i met a very spirited fellow whioo claimed to be mitt romney. the real mitt romney has been around the country promising tax cuts for the wealthy. >> they accused romney of being dishonest on the debate stage. some of the president's supporters are baffled by what they saw as a passive performance. >> i felt he should of been more aggressive. >> i don't know what he was doing out there. he was in during the debate. >> president obama could have new worries today when thejobs numbers are released. economists predict it could go to 8.2%. >> an estimated 67.2 million people watched the debate between the president and mitt romney. that would be the largest television audience for presidential debates since 1992. president obama and mitt romney are set for two more debates. stay with abc 7 for continuing coverage of the presidential race. we will also have the latest information online at wjla.com. >> one of the men charged with killing an arlington health club worker scheduled to be sentenced today. roger clark plea
Comedy Central
Oct 5, 2012 10:30am PDT
bring things back from the dead? and were you behind mitt romney's performance last night? (laughter) (cheers and applause) >> we can make copies of things that have elements of animals or bacterias, so forth that were extinct. >> stephen: okay so, you are work on the woolly mammoth, right. >> it's a possibility. first thing that is amazing progress in the field is being able to sequence the genome of the little broken up bits of dna that are present in mammoth remains and many other animals in museums. >> stephen: have you ever stored anything on dna other than animal information. >> we stored the-- . >> stephen: how is this book on dna? >> there you go, 20 million copies, don't eat it, stephen. >> stephen: where is it, where is the-- what dow mean. >> right there in that dot. >> stephen: hold on. that do the right there, what's in there. >> so we took the book including the photographs. >> stephen: yes. >> 0s and 1st, converted to accs and ts. >> stephen: which is the code of dna. >> yup. and now it is there, we made many, many copies of it. >> stephen: you put a little
PBS
Oct 6, 2012 12:30pm PDT
romney performed better on substance than any candidate in any presidential debate in history. reagan would have beaten him in style in 1980 but on substance i've never seen anybody better prepared than governor romney. he was on of fence. the real question, why did barack obama, the president, do so badly. john, he didn't come prepared for what he found there. he seemed difident, almost disinterested, sour. when they had the two pictures together he was looking down at his notes and the governor was talking to him as if he was lecturing him. some say he's lost his enthusiasm for the battle. he looked like he was weary of the job. i think it may have been something to do with him having been out on the road for a year saying the same thing. he didn't seem to be intellectually stimulated. >> do you think he's overstating that? >> i think mitt romney far exceeded expectations. he turned in a bothow performance. i think everybody agrees with that. the president checked out. why he did that i have my own theory. i think he was overcoached, three days in debate camp. i think he was probabl
CNBC
Oct 4, 2012 1:00pm EDT
don't get taxed at the higher rate. >> exactly. so i think romney's performance last night made people say, hey, maybe i don't have to sell right now. maybe i can keep going. that gives a boost to the market. >> let's bring in kenny right now. also, another reason maybe not to sell is the fact that this market has been kind of teflon coated. it keeps grinding its way higher. if you don't have to sell because of potential tax changes, go with the flow. >> i understand that argument. and as great as the debate was last night -- i thought it was actually a tremendous debate for the country to see. i thought they were both very good but i think romney came out swinging very hard, he caught everybody by surprise. no one had seen that side of him. i still think it is a very close race. i'm not sure i, for one, am going to buy i don't have to sell because i think romney's going to win. >> they don't have to sell though right away. they have until the end of the year. we still have the potential after the election to get a sell-off if everybody says those capital gains are huge. >> i th
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 7:00pm EDT
night, and yet i don't get it. i don't quite get it. i thought romney's performance, let's call it that, was masterful. i don't know what the president was up to last night. your thoughts. >> well, i agree with andrew sullivan. i think he's right on in all his points and i agree with you. romney did -- governor romney was terrific last night. he did all the things he had to do to get back in this race, and i am also mystified at the president's strategy. you know, chris, i'm a good sports fan. in fact, i even do sports tv and i write -- >> i know you do. >> and there's a great sports analogy. when you play the perfect defense when you have a lead, when you try to sit on the ball in basketball when you have got a lead, when you play conservative, what often happens is you lose the lead. and i can't for the life of me believe that that's what they did, but that's the only explanation. they told the president, don't be confrontational. they told the president, be above it all, act presidential. but the one thing that gets me when i was running for re-election as mayor and when i was runnin
ABC
Oct 5, 2012 4:00am EDT
30,000 in madison, wisconsin, yesterday, the president suggested romney's performance was just an act. >> i met this very spirited fellow who claims to be mitt romney but i know it couldn't have been mitt romney. because the real mitt romney's been running around the country for the last year, promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. >> reporter: obama campaign advisers were even more blunt, accusing romney of being dishonest on the debate stage. but some of the president's supporters and liberal pundits are baffled by what they saw as a passive performance. >> i felt like he should have been more aggressive. >> i don't know what he was doing out there. he had his head down. he was enduring the debate, rather than fighting it. >> reporter: president obama could have new worries today when the monthly job numbers come out. economists predicted the unemployment rate could go from 8.1% to 8.2%. >> critical numbers. tahman bradley live for us. thanks, tahman. >>> and one other campaign note this morning. a film dramatizing the raid that killed osama bin laden will make it
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 9:00am EDT
debate in the era of televised presidential debates. mitt romney performed as if his campaign depended on it, while a surprisingly subdued president obama allowed his challenger to dictate the terms of the debate. from the start, romney displayed confidence and demanding the presence on stage. he oned up the president on his own wedding anniversary shoutout. >> i want to wish you, sweetie, happy anniversary. >> congratligss on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. >> that set the tone as romney seemed to control the tempo. sometimes serving as the moderator himself. >> let's get back to medicare. the president began this segment. so i get the last word. >> you're going to get the first word of the next segment. >> he gets the first word of that segment. i get the last word of the segment. >> it didn't take long for the deep philosophical agreements to come through. first on taxes where the president pressed romney on what he characterized as a $5 trillion tax cuts. >> he's saying he's going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deduc
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 11:00am EDT
the type of performance that romney brought last night. bill crystal in "the weekly standard" said, romney comes out of the debate with momentum. can his campaign turn a good debate into a true inflection point in the presidential race? so in your estimation, your guy went up against mitt romney in the primary and debates, how does this mitt romney last night compare to the one that your guy debated against and then how does romney seize on this moment to keep up that momentum in the final days? >> well, first of all, i'm not the least bit surprised mitt romney did as well as he did. he did well in the 20 debates rick santorum went up against him. i would also argue one of the big advantages romney had going into the debate was he did have to debate rick santorum, he did have to debate newt gingrich. it is like having a preseason. and the president didn't have that. i think the other key thing that came out of this is the presidential race for all practical purposes actually started last night. a lot of people just didn't know mitt romney and they do know him now and they came acro
ABC
Oct 5, 2012 4:30am PDT
:49. successful debate performance under his belt, mitt romney is distancing him from his words about the 47%. in the past he stood by the comments. overnight, major change. tahman bradley has the latest. >> reporter: with his campaign reenergized after a strong showing in wednesday's debate mitt romney took on the controversy surrounding his comments that 47% of americans are dependent on government. shortly after a tape of his s -- of his comments were released he said his s were not eloquently stated. >> completely wrong. i absolutely believe however that my life has shown that i care about 100%. >> reporter: president obama is trying to rebound from what many believe was a lackluster debate before a crowd of 30,000 in wisconsin yesterday he suggested romney's performance was an act. >> the president: i met this spirited fellow to claimed to be mitt romney. but i know it couldn't have been mitt romney, because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year, promising five trillion dollars in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. >> reporter: campaign advisers
FOX News
Oct 6, 2012 10:30am EDT
debate? president obama holding the money edge for now, but governor romney's performance might change the game. >> charlie, you followed the numbers, what do you think? >> well, i can tell you, romney campaign denied what i'm going to tell you right now, but i know it's true. i got it from people inside the campaign and not the spokesman, it is that whole numbers, uneven sort of you know, performance on the campaign trail the last couple of weeks. big money that was committed to mitt romney was start to go move elsewhere, starting, beginning of a trend, moving to the senate. >> congressional, yeah, yeah. >> no doubt that was happening. they're hoping that the people inside the campaign raising money in major states are hoping this debate performance will turn things around. i could tell you, it was jazzed up yesterday and jazzed up after the debate. i can't tell you whether it worked yet, we'll know by monday. >> they're saying that they were getting two donations every second after the debate. so they're saying that they're doing well. and there are limits on how much money they can
NBC
Oct 4, 2012 11:00am PDT
president obama admit romney did well. >> i give him credit for a strong performance. >> reporter: the debate was one of the most substantive in recent history. now democrats hope to seize on the details to attack romney moving forward. >> are we going to hold the governor accountable for his fraudulent positions? yes, we're going to do that. >> reporter: obama's campaign is continuing an argument that romney will initiate $5 trillion in tax cuts favoring the wealthy. >> governor romney's proposal that he's been promoting for 18 months calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> virtually everything he just said about my tax plan sin accurate. >> reporter: meanwhile romney's campaign is pleased. >> governor romney was clearly very much in command of the facts last night and had solutions. >> reporter: hoping to build on that calm, cool confidence that came auto for the first time in a while. we've yet to see how romney's performance will affect his standing in the national polls where he's been trailing by several points. that could take days. in washington, i'm danielle leigh, nbc news.
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 5:30am EDT
romney's debate performance with a dance party. we'll have that clip a little later in the show. >>> first, let's get to the news live at 5:30 a.m. here at 30 rock in new york city. we begin on the trail. another day of campaigning today in the three battleground states. this morning, both candidates begin the day with stops in virginia. from there it'sn n tn t on to the president while mitt romney heads to florida. this morning's jobs report will set the tone. we'll have them live for you on "morning joe." it's the second to last jobs report before the november election. economists expecting about 113,000 jobs added. the unemployment rate to hover around the current 8.1%. after wednesday night's debate, which drew more than 70 million viewers, large crowds awaited both candidates on the trail. president obama greeted by 30,000 in madison, wisconsin, came out ready to fight back and showed the fire he was lacking in denver. >> when i got on the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but i know it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney's b
CBS
Sep 30, 2012 11:00pm PDT
practicing in june and continued prepping tuesday. chris christie said mitt romney's performance will turn the race upside down. >> you will say we have a barn burner now. >> reporter: mitt romney's run -- paul ryan dialed back expectations. >> i don't think one event is going to make or break the campaign. >> reporter: paul ryan says mitt romney will lay out the choice voters have, especially when it comes to the economy. >>> oracle workers hear from the master tonight. he delivered the key note address. more than 50,000 people are in san francisco for the event. he described his vision of hardware and software that works together. >> oracle 12c is the foundation for an expanding business, cloud business at oracle corporation. it is the foundation, the software foundation of the oracle cloud. >> it runs through thursday. >>> a justin bieber first. on stage. what happened last night that ,,,, [ owner ] i need to expand to meet the needs of my growing business. but how am i going to fund it? and i have to find a way to manage my cash flow better. [ female announcer ] our wells fargo ba
CNN
Oct 4, 2012 9:00am EDT
this was over. we've got a horse race. mitt romney, his performance was head and shoulders above anything we've ever seen him do before. >> mitt romney rose to the moment tonight. in a way, frankly, that surprised me. >> it looked like romney wanted to be there and president obama didn't want to be there. >> dan lothian is in denver. morning, dan. mr. obama can't be feeling very good this morning. >> reporter: good morning. well, look, as you just played out in those sound bites, it was a big night for governor romney. some have suggested it was a make or break debate for him. he certainly showed up to fight. and voters agree he got the win in a cnn or flash poll, 67% of the voters said he won the debate. 25% saying president obama won. how did he do it? he challenged the president, never backed down even as the president appeared not to want to push back until the second half of the debate. take a listen. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table and spend
KRON
Oct 1, 2012 11:00pm PDT
polls, he reetreated -- retreated to nevada for preparations. >> mitt romney is a good debater. i am just okay. >> reporter: mitt romney's team is trying to manage expectations. >> president obama is a very gifted speaker. >> reporter: only chris christie didn't get the memo, promising mitt romney's performance will be a game changer. >> wednesday night, you will see the numbers move right back in the other direction. >> reporter: mitt romney has to come across as likable and lay out a contrast with the president. president obama is trying to make sure he is not long winded and preachy and one politician says he should not hope for great drama. >> i can't remember the last time there was one of these comments that grabbed everybody's attention, they are too well prepared. >> reporter: the obama campaign got an odd endorsement, venezuela's presidents said if he were an american he would vote for president obama. catherine heenan, kron 4 news. >> kron 4 will air the debate unrapted on our -- uninterrupted on wednesday night 6:00 p.m. and you can tune in to comcast channel 193 or our ov
FOX
Oct 4, 2012 6:00pm EDT
. tom. >> reporter: the democratic position was that mitt romney's performance last night, in their words, is at odds with what he's saying on the campaign trail and privately, they're acknowledging what many have been saying, that governor romney had a good debate and the president is going to be under pressure to do better next time. the president tried to refrain the debate saying the mitt romney he saw last night had little resemblance to what the president said romney's policies are. governor romney himself, meanwhile s meeting with supporters in colorado. romney said the debate gave him a chance to frame the campaign for the country for what their choice would be. >> last night, i thought it was a great opportunity for the american people to see two different visions for the country. it was helpful to describe the vigs. i saw the president's vision as trickledown government. >> governor romney may dance around his position but, if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth so he's the truth: governor romney can not pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without
CW
Oct 4, 2012 10:00pm PDT
mate paul ryan for a rally in virginia. their campaign reinvigorated by romney's performance in wednesday night's debate. >> i got the chance to ask the president questions that people have wanted to ask him. why is it that he pushed obamacare? >> reporter: a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters said romney won the debate 2 to 1 over president obama whom even democrats described as lackluster. a more energetic president greeted supporters in wisconsin. he suggested his opponent was out of sorts. >> when i got on the stage i met this already spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but i know it couldn't have been mitt romney. because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. >> reporter: president obama will hold rallies in virginia and here in cleveland, ohio, friday. his new strategy is to paint mitt romney as a man who can't be trusted. the president is also attacking romney's comment from the debate that he would stop federal funding for pbs. >> thank goodness somebody is finally
PBS
Oct 4, 2012 6:00pm PDT
had republicans who were very pumped up about mitt romney's performance. one guy wrote "who says romney doesn't know anything about domestic work? he just mop it had floor with obama." democrats were dispirited. so one african american gentleman wrote "for the first time in my adult life-- playing on something michelle obama said years ago-- i'm embarrassed for barack obama." >> warner: i noticed from a graphic of twitter it went in peaks and valleys but there was one particular high point and informs the -- during a discussion about regulation. and it was mostly mitt romney. let's watch that. >> there have been 122 community and small banks have closed since dodd-frank so there's one example. here's another, in dodd-frank -- >> lehrer: do you want to repeal dodd-frank? >> i would repeal it and replace it. we're not going to get rid of regulation. you have to have regulation. there are some parts of dodd frank that make all the sense in the world. you need transparency, you need to have leverage limits for institutions. >> lehrer: well, there's a specific. but -- >> let me mentio
FOX News
Oct 4, 2012 5:00am EDT
understand him. romney stayed on point. he has to perform well in the next debate. >> before we get to the next debate. brian who do you think won last night? >> i think romney won stylically. romm rom made the point he will not raise the taxes on the wealthy. that is false. he talked about lowering the rates for top income folks and corporate rate. one of the things i was saying earlier, i called my aunt. wait a minute, i knew romney was going to privatize medicare and they are leaving that out. if you are issue oriented when you hear romney say i am going to voucherize medicare you are concerned. >> it is not just about medicare, benjamin. he said he will not raise taxes. he will cut spending and cutting spending you take those dollars to decrease taxes. small businesses have been taxed enough. the reason why we have the tea party, we are taxed enough already . the bottom line, obama came up with great friends but 47 million people are on food stampings. >> you seem to disagree with a lot of pundits who said obama didn't do his best last night. romney won hands down. body language
NBC
Sep 28, 2012 5:00am EDT
out a memo downplaying his expectations for romney's performance. the memo says romney has to issues on his side. president obama is a much more experienced presidential debater. what is interesting is sunday, the obama camp was downplaying the present cost performance. go figure. >> thank you and have a great day. >> back in baltimore, it is it all about the sports. >> all eyes are back on the orioles. >> this weekend is all about the fans. kim dacey has more. >> the mayor will be giving the key to the city to eddie jones -- adam jones because this year the orioles have done baltimore proud. they won the big contest to see who can show their pride. >> it brings the parents, the school together. it shows their excitement. >> thursday they got their prize come and visit from the orioles birds and tommy hunter and jason hammel. the students got to ask them questions and interact in person. it was hard to tell who enjoyed the visit more. >> i didn't even know that most of these kids would know who i was. they are so excited about every one of us. just very humbling, very exciting. >> a
FOX News
Oct 4, 2012 8:00am PDT
romney trailing in the polls currently hoping to use his debate performance to narrow the gap. it was the first time the two candidates were on stage face-to-face, a chance for governor romney to one-on-one answer allegations that the obama campaign has been firing his way. one of them over this idea that governor romney is trying to implement a $5 trillion tax cut for the rich. he repeatedly answered that question for president until it finally came down to this. >> look i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that is not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. but that is not the case, all right. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. >> that is probably as close as last night's debate came to a memorable line. rather than being a selection of zingers it was uncharacteristic lee marked by substance, jon. jon: isn't that amazing, substance in a debate. what about the president's performance, and specifically senior voters and his appeal to them? >> reporter: you know, i think in the aftermath of the debate
MSNBC
Oct 3, 2012 8:00am PDT
states are really getting tight so such a degree that a great performance by romney tonight could change the dynamic. >> this is big stakes. this is really an opportunity where people -- >> tonight is a huge debate. >> all right, so however on the eve of the first debate, duelling videos were released featuring president obama and paul ryan, but is either a game changer? and team romney seized on an unforced error made by joe biden on the campaign trial. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> the middle class in america is hurting. >> the middle class has been buried the last four years. >> kristen welker and peter alexander are with the obama and romney campaigns in these final hours before the first match-up, the debate tonight. we begin with kristen in nevada with the president. the president will travel to colorado in just a matter of hours. good morning. >> good morning. that's right. president obama will take off for denver in just a few hours. i'm told he'll have a little bit of down time with the first lady before the
CNN
Oct 4, 2012 10:00pm EDT
mitt romney last night was acting. >> it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the wealthiest for a dime to reduce the deficit and those give us big openings to talk about on the campaign trail in key states in the weeks ahead. >> vice president biden, meantime, said his boss did a good job during a bright line between his policies and mitt romney's. >> i think the president did a wonderful job in making it clear just how stark that choice is. >> keeping them honest, that is precisely where the pundits, even those who support president obama, say he dropped the ball and when we asked our viewers whether mr. obama did better or worse than expected, 61%, nearly two in three, said he did worse. as for why the president himself supplied an answer today. twice today out on the stump using nearly identical wording each time. listen. >> when i got out on the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but i know it couldn't have been m
CNN
Oct 5, 2012 1:00am PDT
performance in which he was widely perceived as dull and downcast and mitt romney was seen as being upbeat, obama campaign spokeswoman stephanie cutter tried to paint mitt romney this way. >> mitt romney, yes, he absolutely wins the preparation and he wins the style points. but that's not what's been dogging his campaign. you know what's worse, he got testy about it. he got testy about being on defense. i think that came across to the american people. >> keeping them honest, it's hard to find evidence for that conclusion in our poll of people who watched the debate. 67% to 25%, they thought mr. romney won the debate. when asked who was more likeable, debate watchers gave the two candidates essentially equal marks. that's one piece of spin that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. decide for yourself if this one does from the campaign's ben lebold who suggested mitt romney last night was acting. >> it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the wealthiest for a
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 9:00am EDT
calling governor romney a liar. david axelrod saying his performance at the debate was completely unthreatered from the truth. even though mitt romney insisted again and again and again he was not going to implement a $5 trillion tax cut, here is what president obama said on the road in wisconsin yesterday. >> so here's the truth. governor romney can not pay for his 5 dal trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round of budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy. >> reporter: literally as those words were coming out of the president's mouth his deputy campaign manager, stephanie cutter was on another network admitted it wouldn't be a $5 -- $5 trillion tax cut because of closing of loopholes but admitted that it would not be revenue neutral. stephanie cut irstipulated it won't be a $5 trillion tax cut. let's see what the president's says on the road to. martha: john roberts in st. petersburg's, florida. in the wake of wednesday night's debate, team obama out with attacked a
MSNBC
Oct 2, 2012 12:00am PDT
mitt romney will turn the presidential race upside down with his debate performance? chris california fee nous joins me for the co favorite surrogate >>> and buddy chris christie says that the candidate is going to wipe the floor with president obama. really? the campaign says mitt romney is working on some zingers. this could get ugly. and very entertaining. >>> the second debate between elizabeth warren and scott brown has just ended. >>> and another big debate tonight. and you are going to see the coverage right here before anywhere else. democrat wayne powell just finishes debate with eric cantor. i'll talk to the man trying to unseat one of the biggest obstructionists in congress. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hash tag ed show. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. the presidential debate is just two days away in denver. here's chris christie talking about how incredibly well mitt romney is going to do. >> on wednesday night, mitt romney is going to be standing on the same stage as the president of the united
MSNBC
Oct 2, 2012 3:00am EDT
if romney performs well. >> chris kofinis, do you believe that romney can turn this around as many months as he's had, one misstep after another, and by a wide margin, americans think president obama is going to win this debate and has the upper hand. what about expectations and what about the possibility of romney turning this around? what do you think? >> well, that's clearly their strategy. you have to love governor christie for raising expectations, but he was basically telling the truth. the romney campaign has to have a good performance to change the narrative of a campaign in a spiral to death. can he do it? i don't know. i have not seen any indication from governor romney or his campaign at any moment, whether it was the convention, during the summer, since the convention, that suggests they are able to maximize, you know, an opportunity. so i'm a little suspicious. but the reality is, he's going to come in here with a little lowered expectations and at least in terms of the public opinion polls. but let's be honest. he's a good debater. the problem with governor romney is
CNN
Oct 4, 2012 8:00pm EDT
what the romney campaign calculated because of the performance that mitt romney put in last night, and keep in mind, you were talking about the adjustments, jessica was talking about the adjustments the president's going to make. i get the sense from talking to several folks inside the romney campaign, and most notably the debate sparring partner himself, rob portman, that they are going to be sticking to this idea, this approach of a tough debate prep, intense debate prep. i think we will be seeing mitt romney going back behind closed doors with rob portman on several occasions over the coming days to make sure he is just as sharp for the next debate. i talked to portman about this last night. he's sort of the debate whisperer now. he said oh, no, his work is not finished until these debates are wrapped up. >> i like that. debate whisperer. fascinating to be a fly on the wall in both debate preps. thanks. >>> digging deeper now, what happened last night, what comes next. our political analyst, david gergen, gloria borger. we've had 24 hours to think about it. the spin the obama c
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 6:00pm EDT
romney. >> wendell goler travelling in cleveland. and following romney's strong performance in the debate, what happens now? here is chief political correspondent, carl cameron. >> reporter: with a month before election day, unemployment below 8% for the first time in the obama era, mitt romney called it too little, too late and too high since so many have stopped looking for work. >> the truth is if the same share of people participating in the work force today as the day the president got elected our unemployment rate to be around 11%. >> romney's plan says it will create new jobs, instead of part-time, helping to get it under 8% before the election. i'll help create 12 million new jobs and rising take home pay. >> romney's debate performance intersecting polls, and rasmussen shows romney inching ahead in virginia and ohio albeit within the margin of error and the daily tracking poll has the president up 5 points. romney met privately with laid off miners and blasted the president for waging war with workers, and romney that's an is crucial section of energy independence. >> i th
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 8:00am PDT
republicans will lose now. but, more significantly, look, it really makes that debate performance by romney a big thing. look at obama being in the lead nationally and in these targeted states, going into the debate, if, if we sort of change that debate narrative and obama won it and then these numbers come out, people already starting to talk about the race being over. i think it would be even more significant. so just really points up how big that debate performance of romney was to overcome all this news that's been working against him for a while now. jenna: that is interesting painting that other scenario if it didn't happen that way but it did. in the news cycle over next several days, does it wipe out the debate performance by the president because these new numbers look more positive than expected? >> doesn't wipe it out. romney would much rather have these 8.3 and rising and the 7.8% does talk, let him talk about you who the recovery's moving apace. the more significant thing, jenna, though is what the polls were saying before any of this. suddenly we were seeing 57% of americans sta
FOX
Oct 3, 2012 10:00pm PDT
obama supporters conceded that republican nominee mitt romney performed better than expected. >> when you see the two together on the screen, romney is kind of smiling and smirking. >> i thought romney would fall apart. >> i give an edge slightly to obama. i think he's doing an effective job, in explaining just what he's accomplished the last four years. >> reporter: less than two miles away at the contra costa county republican headquarters, romney supporters gave their candidate high praise. >> romney needs to be personal, patient, show his plan, and he is. he has to describe how growing the economies will apply to revenues better than raising taxes. >> reporter: one romney supporter told us both men delivered strong performances. >> obama is also convincing that it is a little more freestyle, but still very organized. but i like romney appearing very organized when they first start off. >> i think he'll win the debate and the race. >> i hope. i want him to win. >> reporter: both republicans and democrats we spoke with tonight said the debate is important. but there's there's still
KICU
Oct 3, 2012 11:30pm PDT
them simply based on the debate performance, i do think romney did a better job tonight. >> i think the winner would probably be the president, mainly because he's the one that is the president. his opponent has got to be able to say why he will be better than the incumbent. i don't think that was necessarily done tonight. >> my initial reaction was that mitt romney won the debate. i think it was a good night for mitt romney. >> reporter: someone watching the debate, this 22-year-old student headed to a job recruitment fair instead. >> yeah, of course, it's a job. president obama or mitt romney is not going to pay for my job at this time rather than a recent poll found 40% of undecided voters said the debate would determine. >> how will you vote in november? take our election quiz to help you decide. you will find the presidential election quiz right under the cover photo. watching the debates, we sat down tonight with democrats and republicans. the one thing many people we spoke to agree on. >>> facebook posts that could cost you money. plus, the grim forecast today from hp ceo, an
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 11:00am PDT
twitter with what i thought before all the spin began, and you've got to give romney the edge unquestionably. now his performance is growing as people are at water coolers and sharing with one another what all the conventional buzz was. i have questions about the way in which the president was prepared for this debate, and my one example would be this. he didn't know, neither of them did, what questions would be asked. they certainly knew they were getting two minutes at the end for a closing statement. what exactly was the message of the president in that closing statement? i have no idea. that should have been rehearsed. >> we're going to talk about how mitt romney perhaps has been declared the winner over the water cooler to your point. maybe it's the theatrics or ez. >> kline says because of vagueness in his answer. we're going to look at that. i appreciate it. >>> we have breaking news out of libya. the fbi confirmed agents from the bureau visited the site of the last month's deadly attack from the consulate in benghazi. pete williams joins us live from washington. we hea
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 2:00pm EDT
for president obama. i don't think it was surprising that mitt romney had a good debate performance. a lot of us expected that. i think what surprised everyone was president obama didn't seem up and as energized as mitt romney was. >> i think you're absolutely right on that. this jobs report tomorrow, how might this factor in depending on the information made public? >> right. it was a month ago after the republican convention and after the democratic conventions that republicans were looking to the jobs report to change the subject. now democrats are trying to do the exact same thing. a little note of caution. even though it was a tepid jobs report last time around, that really didn't help mitt romney. if it's a better than expected number, a lot of the commentary is still about last night's debate. >> we'll see what happens in the next 24. thanks, mark. instant polls show mitt romney was the clear winner last night. in a cnn survey they picked romney 67% on to 25%. uncommitted voters polled by cbs picked governor romney 2:1 over the president. how did governor romney do it. past t
NBC
Oct 4, 2012 5:00pm EDT
a strong debate performance. presidential nominee mitt romney is taking his campaign back on the road. and tonight that road goes through virginia. governor romney and his running mate congressman paul ryan will be speaking to supporters in fishersville near stanton. julie carey is live there with reaction to last night's debate. >> reporter: well, what a difference one day and one debate makes. governor mitt romney and congressman paul ryan expected to take the stage around 6:45 tonight. the crowd said they're ready to celebrate last night's debate performance, and ready to rally around this gop team with excitement that even they can see hasn't been there before. >> woo! >> reporter: they lined up early in the shenandoah valley to see both gop running mates. they say it was mitt romney's performance that has suddenly renewed their enthusiasm for the ticket. >> i was yelling and screaming on the couch. i was pumped, excited. i think he did a wonderful job. >> reporter: mitt romney will spend three of the first five post-debate days in this battleground state in strong republican
FOX Business
Oct 6, 2012 4:00am EDT
pay. romney's debate performance is rising in polls inches ahead in ohio and virginia be it within the poll's margin of era. the tracking poll has the president up five points. in virginia, he met with miners blasting the president for waging war on the coal industry and the workers. >> i believe we should take advantage of it, put workers back to work, and use the resource that's abun adapt, cheap, and to be burned in a clean way. >> riding high, romney reminded a rally last night with fireworks and trace adkins that the president promised his stimulus gets unemployment lower than it is. >> he said right now, we would be at 5.4 #% unemployment. >> romney pounded biden for stating the administration's goal yesterday of a trillion dollar tax hike on those earning more than 200,000 or $250,000. >> they have been squeezed and buried. >> he did not talk about the 47% who don't pay income taxes expect a handout. he renounced the statement last night once and for all. >> completely wrong, and i absolutely believe my life has shown i care about 100%. >> they hope the remarks put the matter be
CBS
Oct 5, 2012 4:00am EDT
obama is seemed determined to make up for lost ground. romney's solid debate performance gave him a new spark on the. campaign trail. before an estimated 10,000 people in virginia he kept up his attacks on the president. >> what you didn't hear last night from the president why it is the next four years will be better than the last four years. >> reporter: the obama campaign admits it needs a change in strategy for the next two debates. president obama held back from attacking romney during the debate but that chang when he returned to the campaign trail. >> i almost got to watch out. >> reporter: the president attacked romney's plan to cut subsidies to pbs and his position was so different from what he said in the past he didn't recognize who he was debating. >> whoever was on stage last night doesn't want to be held accountable for what mitt romney has been saying in the last year. >> obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. yes we do. >> reporter: biden said the super wealthy needs to pay more. romney says that will kill jobs. another wild card in this race come
FOX News
Oct 6, 2012 11:00am PDT
find work. >> paul: there's little doubt romney's commander performance helped the g.o.p. ticket. the question is, how much? let's ask wall street journal columnist and deputy editor dan henninger, mary anna stacia o'grady and kim strassel. dan, how important was this debate for mitt romney's candidacy. >> it was not only very important for mitt romney's candidacy, paul, it was very important for us. i think he both rescued his candidacy and rescued the election. and quite honestly, the election to this point was kind of boring. it was boring because both candidates in different ways were making it boring. the president, and there have been reports, was kind of coasting through, thinking he had no real competition from mitt romney. and romney was out there basically, expressioning conservative platitudes without elaborating on them. we get to the debate and what mitt romney does is answer the two things i think most voters were looking for, why do you think that barack obama's presidency failed and what ways have he failed it. and what would you propose alternatives, and better t
NBC
Oct 4, 2012 6:00pm EDT
romney and paul ryan. most here say it was governor romney's performance in the debate that has them suddenly pumped up about the ticket's prospects on election day. >> i didn't feel excited like i did in the last election, with sarah palin and john mccain. so after last night, i got that adrenaline going and i'm pumped up and ready to roll. >> we had a drendrenaline that wouldn't believe. >> reporter: mitt romney will spend three of the first five post-debate days in this battleground state. even here, romney supporters admit before the debate they were worried about polls that showed their candidate behind. even their enthusiasm was luke-warm. >> with romney, before last night, i would say we were 50%, 55%. after last night we're at 100%. >> last night was energizing. it was neat to see him answer questions clearly with detail on questions that i had questions about myself. >> reporter: but obama advisers know their target audience is undecided and swing voters. they quickly rolled out this ad that romney's tax plan wouldn't hurt the middle class. romney supporters are convinced th
CBS
Oct 4, 2012 11:00pm EDT
washington university, he said mitt romney's poised performance -- >> i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. >> reporter: romney looked like he wanted to be there. he was engaged. >> coupled with president obama's lackluster performance seems to have changed the tone of the presidential race. >> my faith and confidence in the american future sun diminished. >> i cannot explain what happened to barack obama. he was awol. he was distracted, did he -- defensive, detached. >> reporter: frank said he should have become much more engaged. >> he dropped the ball. there's no way around it. >> reporter: having said all that, he also said that plenty of presidential candidates have rallied after a bad first debate. >> reagan came back in his second debate. >> reporter: and with that in mind he's very much looking forward to the next debate on october 16th. >> romney thinks he's on a roll now. he's going to keep that posture, i would pre excuse me. barack obama has got to have a completely different air about him. he's got to be a combatant, not a visitor. >> reporter: pr
FOX News
Oct 4, 2012 9:00am EDT
touchdowns. when he steps on the statement gives him stature. when he performs like romney did it changes the mow men tim. bill: krauthammer went on to say one debate won't win the election but it might change the course. martha: vice president joe biden says governor romney did not go far enough in explaining his plans specifically to the american people. >> governor romney laid out a fundamentally different philosophy. he called for a tax plan that would these massive cuts for the wealthy but refused to explain how copay for them without raising tax on middle class families. instead he just denied how big these tax cuts were. martha: the romney campaign said they did lay out specific he will ets how they would pay for those. biden will debate paul ryan in danville, kentucky next thursday. bill: a former new york city mayor republican candidate rudy giuliani said the president, all he wants is bigger government. he had a consistent theme. government important, government has to help, government has to stimulate the private economy. every answer to every question by barack obama was more gove
FOX News
Oct 3, 2012 11:30pm PDT
people look back on the debate. but this was a strong performance by governor romney. he needed one. i think he got it. >> joe? >> i think romney did himself a lot of good tonight. he was there on the issues. he knew his stuff. he didn't back down to the president or the moderator. and he didn't -- he didn't cross the line because you can do that and i think that would have backfired on him. i watched obama debate a lot in primaries when i was with edwards and clinton and john ed wards. this is the guy who showed up. he's a good debeirut. but he doesn't enjoy. it you look at this. romney looked like -- i am here, this is great, i am having fun. he really did. and obama looked sort of sour and like it was another headache to have to be there. that won't help. the question here, rom flow's supporters needed to be reinvigorated. he definitely got that out of tonight. what did happen with the undecided? did women move? you know, is that enthusiasm going to spread out and show up in the differential in terms of who will vote? >> was there body language you noticed? >> to the extent, i th
FOX
Oct 4, 2012 10:00pm EDT
on the attack after mitt romney's debate performance. so what's next on the campaign trail? details coming up. >> and the reflecting pool empty again, why it had to be drained just weeks after it was filled at 11:00.  [ male announcer ] citibank's app for ipad makes it easy for anne to manage her finances when she's on the go. even when she's not going anywhere. citibank for ipad. easier banking. standard at citibank. dit's just that simple, i mean, needit's a no brainer.anand. anncr: every year marylanders spend five hundred and fifty... million at casinos in west virginia, delaware... and pennsylvania. one west virginia paper calls it a "cash cow" for them. but its cost maryland over one billion dollars. money that could have created good jobs and... better schools for us. question seven keeps maryland money in maryland. david smallwood: question seven, i think it will be a... good thing for the state of maryland. helps him deposit his checks. jay also like it when mother nature helps him wash his car. mother nature's cool like that. mobile check deposit. easier ban
NBC
Oct 5, 2012 5:00pm EDT
opponent, accusing mitt romney of an extreme makeover. mr. obama reminded of romney's performance. >> for all you mom and kids out there, don't worry, somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. rounding him up. elmo's got to watch out, too. governor romney plans to let wall street run wild, again. >> reporter: democrats also used big bird as a prop to ruffle feathers in southwest virginia where romney campaigned in coal country. but a campaign spokesman challenged the president's assessment of the unemployment rate. >> he wants to brag about a 7.8% unemployment rate, but the fact is the middle class is being buried. >> reporter: still obama supporters who admitted they were taken aback are happy to celee drop. >> i think the new jobs numbers are fantastic. it was great news and i think, i was just so happy to be here. he seemed to be right on his game. >> i am very confident in the campaign. there is nothing that i see that is negative about this campaign. i think he is moving forward. he is making sure that all of the people are covered. not some of the people. >> now, even though th
ABC
Oct 4, 2012 6:00am PDT
, arithmetic. >> pundits this morning are saying romney's aggressive perform was what he needed. >> -- performance was what he needed. >>> a poll conducted last night immediately after the debate found 67% of registered voters went for mitt romney. 25% went for president obama. cnn conducted the poll with 430 americans. >>> next debate takes play week from today in kentucky when vice president biden and congressman ryan face off. abc 7 will air that debate live. >>> stock market opens up in less than 30 minutes. this morning investors will be keeping a close eye on helmand province, -- on hp, stock closed down 8% after whitman said expect lower revenue and proves until at least 2016. coming up we go live to jane king at the new york stock exchange to find out how hp stock is doing this morning. >>> this morning mark zuckerberg is announcing one billion people are now using facebook actively, each month. the announcement if the way of a thank you note he sent out this morning that reads in part: thank you for giving me and my little team the honor of serving you. helping a billio
WHUT
Oct 4, 2012 10:00am EDT
thought it was perhaps surprised by the performance he was watching by mitt romney. john. >> he hates him more now. [laughter] >> rose: murphy, only you would say that. >> i thought the biggest difference between the two was that governor romney had a strategy and he had a plan. and he came in -- >> rose: he executed it. >> executed on it in an aggressive forceful way. president obama did not seem to have a plan, did not seem to have a strategy. seemed to be in a prevent defenses. he's been running a pretty safe campaign because he's been ahead for a while and feeling confident about where they are. he was like, looked like he was trying to stall out the clock. seemed to me like he was endure the debate more than engaging the debate. the visuals, talking to a lot of people in mike's profession. in any debate turn the sound off and just look at the visuals what you're seeing. president obama staring down, not making eye contact with governor romney nor the audience. that visual cue it's almost accepting the other guy's making a point you need to deal with as opposed to forcefully kind
PBS
Oct 4, 2012 3:00am EDT
secret of the romney, i ran his campaign for governor back in 2002, and he won that state by performing really well in the debates. the go you saw tonight, smart, policy-focused, crisp. you look at him and think boy a guy who knows how to run something well. so i think the country in many ways got the first real look at that and then filtered away and now if the romney guys can keep that going for the month they're really back in the race. the next thing the media narrative will need a couple better polls for romney and my guess is they'll get them. they have a real opportunity to move forward. >> rose: john dickerson. >> on the poll of undecided voters right after the debate who watched, romney not only won two to one but on the question of who cares about you and regular people which is the place that the obama campaign had been savaging him before the debate, romney's numbers were about 30. after the debate they were in the 60's, which is to say in this debate romney had two tasks. one was to explain why the president has failed and be very aggressive there that and then he had anoth
NBC
Oct 1, 2012 6:00pm EDT
place wednesday night in denver. one republican leader predicted mitt romney's performance will be strong enough to reshape the race. steve handelsman on capitol hill now with more on this. >> reporter: jim, thanks, good evening. both these candidates are looking at the polls, mostly in the battleground states. and they're all eyeing this debate, both eyeing this debate on wednesday. picture it, mitt romney side by side with barack obama. this is what challengers want, to be literally on an even keel with the incumbent president and 60 million americans could tune in. prominent republicans said today, it's huge. they're setting up for the debate in denver. one of mitt romney's biggest backers sounds upbeat. >> every time he's been challenged, in one of these situations, and had a debate, he's come forward with an outstanding performance. listen, i plead guilty to having confidence in the guy on wednesday night. >> reporter: but romney trails in every battleground state. >> he's got to redefine himself as someone who cares about the average american. he's got to show how his policie
CNN
Oct 4, 2012 7:00am EDT
of the president's performance was what he did not say. no mention of romney's infamous 47% remark, no talk of bain capital, nothing about romney's own taxes. he did play the "romney is a hypocrite" card when it comes to health care. >> the irony is that we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts. because governor romney did a good thing, working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and, as a consequence, people are covered there. it hasn't destroyed job. >> reporter: romney, who ran from his massachusetts health care plan during the gop primaries, now used it to tack to the middle for the general election. >> i like the way we did it in massachusetts. i like the fact that in my state, we had republicans and democrats come together and work together. what you did, instead, was to push through a plan without a single republican vote. >> reporter: and romney's countless hours of rehearsals clearly produced lines like this. >> mr. president, you're entitled as a president to your own airplane and your own house, but not to your ow
FOX News
Oct 3, 2012 10:30pm EDT
challenger steps up on the stage that gives stature, when performing the way romney did, i think changes things. it changes momentum. romney campaign is at a terrible month. to the extent people are saying who is this guy? all of a sudden thrk romney shows up. and he's knowledgeable, confident and he's got nerve. he never backed down on any of the obama attacks. any time obama hurled a particular at him, he came back with a three-point answer. so i think he didn't just hold his own, but showed himself to be equal to the president and is taking one by far the majority of the rounds. think for him what that does is changes the narrative of the campaign that is so it's going nowhere, making mistake after mistake to one which people stop and say is that the guy? this is the first time they're seeing him unfiltered. that is not the guy we thought we read about and heard about. he's different from that. with obama, i thought he had a weak night. it looked as if he's sitting on a leaf. i can guarantee you had he been behind in the post he would have had it at 47%. the video damaged romney didn'
CNN
Oct 4, 2012 4:00am PDT
the obama campaign is that a mission that in fact governor romney did have a strong performance last night, but they're going after the substance, pointing to what they say are flaws and distortions in his policies, and overall, they don't believe that the performance by the president last night and the performance by governor romney will in any way shift this race dramatically. we'll have to wait and see. i mean, we'll be watching in key battleground states like ohio or even here in colorado, taking a look at the polling over the coming days to see if, in fact, things will change. but the bottom line for the campaign is they believe that the president came in here and did what he set out to do, which is to have a conversation with the american people. the problem for the campaign is that governor romney came in here to have more than a conversation. he challenged the president. he did not back down. and according to that poll, that cnn/orc poll, most voters believe that, in fact, he did win last night, soledad. >> dan lothian, thanks, dan. >>> i want to get to senator rand paul, a r
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 10:00am PDT
much. >>> and how does mitt romney capitalize on his debate performance? going forward, senior adviser and former new hampshire governor john sununu won't be shy about telling us. that next. >>> first the battle over big bird. >> i like pbs. i love big bird. i like you, too. but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> we didn't know big bird was driving the federal deficit. but that's what we heard last night. how about that? elmo too? >> big bird's feathers didn't seem to be too ruffled. he responded today, tweeting, my bedtime is usually 7:45 but i was really tired yesterday and fell asleep at 7:00. did i miss anything last night? w ant to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions... because the results... are you having fun doing this? yeah. that's a very nice cake! [ male announcer ] well, you can't beat them. [ giggles ] ohh! you got something
MSNBC
Oct 4, 2012 1:00pm EDT
governor romney, what both are saying about their debate performance. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> last night i thought was a great opportunity for the american people to see two very din visions for the country. and i think it was helpful to be able to describe those visions. i saw the president's vision as trickle down government and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> overnight polls and "the denver post" give round one to romney. as a republican challenger went after the president's record. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, and economic crisis at the kitchen table, and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care instead of fighting for jo
NBC
Oct 4, 2012 4:30am PDT
pressure was on mitt romney to perform, taking on the man even republicans describe as one of the most skilled debaters in politics. tracie potts is in denver this morning with debate highlights. >> reporter: the point of this debate was to make differences clear on lowering the debt. >> you said you'd cut the deficit in half. >> the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut we asked for $1 of additional revenue paid for, as i indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. >> the president insisted romney would spend $5 trillion on tax breaks favoring the wealthy. >> math, common sense and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth. >> everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> reporter: they clashed on wall street, whether banks should be too big to fail and medicare. >> cutting $716 million to balance obama care is in my opinion a mistake. >> if you repeal obama care, and i have become fond of this term, obama care, if you repeal it, what happens is those seniors are going
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